The 4 Laws of Creation

Bashar Bashar
251 min read

Heaven’s Gate Mass Suicide

Asker
I was pondering over what has recently happened involving 39 members of a particular— What exactly had happened to Mr. Applewhite? Do you have any feedback on that at all? What happened? Why did he and his uh group members take their lives?
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
Because they had an idea of what they thought their information represented, and they to some degree were a little bit mistaken. Confused.
Asker
What kind of information did they have that they were making associations to certain things, drawing certain conclusions about what certain things symbolized and represented in terms of action and timing?
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
They simply created a misinterpretation that they decided to buy into.
Asker
Where did they think they were going to?
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
Only 3 of them initially experienced arriving on the other side what they thought they were going to experience, and that soon wore off. Most of them experienced great surprise.
Asker
Where are they at the moment? in spirit? They are all learning that there were a variety of options and a variety of ways to look at it?
Asker
Bashar
Bashar

It is not a blame thing, not a judgment thing.

The soul will not see it as a wrong move per se, but they might begin to understand it as perhaps not necessarily as efficient as they would have liked. And they are beginning to understand a little bit more of how to apply the information in the physical reality they chose to be in instead of in a sense leaving it and thus not being capable of applying it. But the idea really is that the souls will learn from this and they will decide what to do.

And at the same time they functioned as symbols on many different levels for your society. It created much polarization and also at the same time were a representation of a great degree of conviction, for obviously they were very, very, very convicted about what they believed in to have allowed themselves to die for it.

But the idea is again one of discernment—to hone and sharpen discernment about the fact that you are creating reality and that these things are not happening so much again to you as through you. So that if they had understood that, they could have understood that they were applying labels to things that in some senses were not necessarily immediately applicable to the reality domain they were in. However, now that they are in spirit, they are beginning to understand that.

Asker
Will they incarnate back?
Asker
Bashar
Bashar

That’s up to each of them. But reincarnation is a linear illusion, because all incarnations are multitudinous and simultaneous because time in a sense is your creation.

Reincarnation is simply an offshoot of the same oversoul. That personality structure that has rendered itself into spirit will always remain there because that’s what it has created itself to be representative of.

Even if the oversoul creates a new incarnation, it is not literally the same person reincarnating. Any memory that the new incarnation, so to speak, may have of being another person in another life is simply a connection vibrationally that the incarnation makes for a variety of reasons to make it appear as if there is a continuity going on.

Asker
I think it does. Um, to the—we understand that sometimes temporal mechanics of higher dimensions can seem a little confusing in your language. Yes. This takes place for um lessons or teachings through—it takes place for experience.
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
I see. You can call them lessons. You can call them teachings. But fundamentally it really has no other reason for being other than experience—simply because it can happen. Simply because the one, the all that is, will experience itself in all the ways it is possible to. You follow?
Asker
Yes, I do. Uh, one of the reasons—I think, remember, if I may interrupt you. Yes. That as it is the primary function of each and every one of you as an individuated portion of all that is to simply understand who you are, to know more of who you are—that is the function of all that is as well. And through every experience every part of all that is has all that is knows itself more and more for who it is. Yes. You understand?
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
Yes. I believe I do. So even this will be used not only by the individuated portions but by the one as an opportunity to know who it is from a different point of view. So it is the experience, the creation that counts in that sense. It doesn’t necessarily have to simply be called a lesson or a teaching, although you can look at it that way, but just remove the idea of the judgment from those concepts that usually accompanies it in the Earth language, not necessarily implying that you have that connection.
Asker
And uh so to others that believe in the same philosophy—I believe that they believe in—to take their own life and to join a waiting spaceship. I mean, that is an illusion of their belief system in some senses.
Asker
Bashar
Bashar

It is not an impossibility that such a thing can happen because anything you can imagine on some level is real. But the question is what level is that real upon? The idea again is that many times individuals will make associations that will be made from a state of confusion rather than from a state of clarity.

In all reality, so to speak, certainly when you are in spirit, you can certainly find yourself quite capable of visiting alien spacecraft perhaps a little bit more easily than you now have an opportunity to do in physical reality. We are not denying that that is possible. But the idea that you have to do that in order to be aboard a spacecraft, or that there was some timing reason to do that that would in some way, shape or form be representative of what was going on in your planet, is to some degree erroneous.

Bashar
Bashar
Or more precisely, is representative of a reality domain that was not immediately applicable to the reality domain they were in. I see. Does that help you?
Asker
Yes, it does. I had one other question. You mentioned last week that we are not at the state of cloning at the moment and I heard contrary um majority of my life that humans have been cloned here for quite some time.
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
Nope.
Asker
And what do you base your information on?
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
Our scanning of your collective consciousness.
Asker
Now, I’ve had others told me that they scanned and have seen clones amongst our society.
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
Not from your creation?
Asker
From what creation?
Asker
Bashar
Bashar

You will not say. I cannot say. I see. Not at this time.

The idea to understand is this. We will be allowed to give it to you this way. There is in a strata of your collective consciousness the ability to express itself physiologically in a manner that on some level could be considered cloning.

And this from some directions and to some degree has been expressed from time to time in your overall history. Certainly individuals have experimented with it from time to time, but not to any great degree of success in the classical methodology that you now have recently discovered.

In that classic scientific methodology, you have not had the capability of cloning on your planet until recently, and not for some time—though thousands and thousands of years ago, yes, you did.

But when we are asked such a question, we usually infer the idea to mean contemporarily. Now we understand that many individuals will have suspicions that certain factions of your government have been capable of doing many, many different kinds of things, but in most of those cases that is facetious.

Asker
I understand, however it doesn’t mean that some of them haven’t made the attempt.
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
But in terms of understanding it with the clarity your scientific society understands it now, that has not been done for quite some time.
Asker
Okay, I understand that. And I had one last question. Um, are you part of the Grays’ agenda to raise our consciousness since you do this channeling and you do help many of people with um—
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
It is not so much that we are a part of the Gray agenda as we are simply a part of our own agenda. There are aspects of our agenda that dovetail into both the Gray agenda and the human agenda with regard to upgrading the evolution of each species. But it isn’t that we are in that sense subservient to the Gray agenda in that context.

Ann Marie

For many years I’ve been writing stories. More recently the ones I’ve been working on in the last 10 years—one’s called “The Other Side of the Mirror,” guys.

Second one is called “The Ashes of the Phoenix.” It is dealing with a person, so to speak, who uh with the aid of a guide is able to travel from this world to a second world. And in the first book she’s learning about—in the second book she meets her other self. Nice—breaking the illusion that if you meet yourself somewhere else it will destroy all dimensions. What bothers me is that all my drawings and all my stories to some degree have come into reality.

It scares me to a certain degree because um—why, the worst part was in the first book I said that uh I wrote where the girl uh was dropped into a rapid river and almost drowned but was saved by a friend. Yes. A few years later I went to Hawaii. I was at the green sand beach and I got pulled by an undertow. Yes. All right. And so, well, at the time, it wasn’t until I was able to get myself out of it. I was looking at the ocean that my mind went—I just had something happened to me that happened in the book. It sort of makes me confused if I should even continue writing.

Ann Marie
Bashar
Bashar
Well, why not write about things that you would enjoy having happen to you instead of otherwise?
Ann Marie
Because from what I have read about other authors and such, they normally do not have their stories or people literally from their stories come into their reality.
Ann Marie
Bashar
Bashar
Yes. But that doesn’t answer my question, does it? If you are realizing that you are creating stories that in your terms are manifesting as actual experiences in your life, why not write about experiences that you would prefer to have happen so that then if they still keep happening, you’ll enjoy them.
Asker
Um, because to a certain degree that I know on this level I’m not the only writer. That I am writing about other places and other people. So, it wasn’t something I was expecting. I want—
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
Oh, congratulations. When you get something you didn’t expect, that’s cause for congratulations. Now, pay attention. Okay. The idea is not necessarily to second guess yourself, nor edit yourself too closely. Go ahead and write from your heart. Go ahead and be inspired and put down what you are inspired to put down. Sometimes we understand individuals on your planet want to write about things that scare them just a little bit because they enjoy that and they enjoy the idea of, in your terms, overcoming those things, surviving those things, and in that sense you’re giving yourself a chance to grow.
Asker
The one thing I didn’t realize until I got back home is that not once did I think while I was in uh the undertow—did I worry about breathing. All I thought was as soon as I know where the ground is to push up and I’ll be out of it. Yes.
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
Will you see—you can concoct the details of the circumstance to fall in line with the ultimate effect or goal of the story, and that would be the growth and change and transformation in a positive way of the central character, which obviously in some senses is you. Okay. So in that sense, to put it euphemistically, no matter what happens during the story, it has a happy ending.
Asker
Yeah. I normally make sure that it just—
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
Make sure—don’t make sure. The only thing you need to make sure of is that you write from your heart and really put down what you really believe makes the story work. Yeah. Regardless of what that is. And then know that if that comes to pass, and you then choose to experience it—which I’m not saying you have to—but if that’s what you’re doing, then you can still know that you are in a sense delineating the very things that you want to experience in order to be the hero of your own story. Um, and to grow from the experience, to expand from the experience. You understand?
Asker
Yeah, but then I feel like I’m not keeping the story true to how it’s supposed to be told.
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
What do you mean, “supposed to be told”?
Asker
I just—I suppose it’s probably right from your heart for what you believe is best for the story.
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
Yeah. Isn’t that then the way the story is supposed to be told?
Asker
Yeah. Well, then—um, does that make sense?
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
Well, to a certain degree.
Asker
It’s just where I really got upset is when my mom said, “Well, maybe in storytelling you’re clairvoyant.” Yeah, maybe.
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
You’re all clairvoyant.
Asker
Well, yeah. Uh, so—so what?
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
So what if that’s how you write your stories—through clairvoyance? So what? What’s that got to do with anything in terms of whether you should write them or not or worry about them or not? So what?
Asker
Well, to be quite honest, scared me on a very big level.
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
I understand that. Um, can you work with the fear? Can you find out what the fear is coming from? Can you understand that in certain cases the fact, in that sense, that it is scaring you is showing you that there may be belief systems and ideas within you about your relationship to the reality you are creating that might be something you want to rewrite within yourself, regardless of whether you rewrite them in the story or not?
Asker
Now I’m confused.
Asker
Bashar
Bashar

It gives you an opportunity to look at what might be unfolding within your energy so that you can rewrite your own energy and what happens to you as opposed to the idea necessarily of having to make the story match that or that you have to match the story. Mhm.

So it is giving you an opportunity to lose the idea of fear by transforming the idea of fear that you feel in a positive way by letting the fear show you what definition you have of your relationship to life so that it then translates itself in a fearful way, and change that definition of your relationship to life so it will translate itself in what you would believe to be a more positive way.

But at the same time, fear is really nothing more than your energy funneling through a belief system that’s out of tune or out of alignment with your truth. So this is an opportunity for you to look at what you are defining your relationship to life to be and to rewrite it within yourself even if you don’t necessarily rewrite it within the story externally. I see. You follow?

In that sense, you can give yourself a sneak preview of the chapter to come and rewrite whatever in there you need to rewrite for yourself personally, even if you don’t actually rewrite the story itself.

But don’t rewrite it out of fear that it might come to pass. Rewrite it because you use the fear to get in touch with what it is in your definitions might have made such a thing need to come to pass.

And in rewriting it, no longer need to come to pass for you to learn what you need to learn without putting yourself in crisis in order to do so. And although of course some of you find that, as we said, exhilarating.

Asker
No, I don’t.
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
Well, in a sense, yes, you do, or you wouldn’t be doing it that way.
Asker
Well, I’m not writing uh horror, mind you. It’s just more of uh trying—what the books are is that even though things are happening around her, it’s learning what she is inside and what she wants, as well as her friends going through the same thing.
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
Well, again, you see, yeah, that’s exactly what we said. It’s giving you an opportunity to learn who you are and what your relationship is in your definition to the idea of life, because remember, you’re not really in physical reality. Physical reality is in you. Yes.
Asker
Uh, and of course that would also apply to my uh pictures of people that I’ve drawn. Yes. That have come to pass in a sense. Yeah. Not necessarily as I drew them.
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
Um, again, remember, you are looking at an infinite number of probable realities. And any such clairvoyant sensing is a sensing of the energy that exists at the time the sensing is made that may have the highest degree of momentum, and if it doesn’t change can manifest or crystallize in some physiological experience. But that doesn’t mean it has to. Many times if you recognize what a prediction is for what it is, the recognition in and of itself can change the energy and make it become something else. Predictions can thus, by being mentioned, render themselves obsolete.
Asker
Uh, the other thing that I’m finding with my artwork and storytelling is that when I go into the drawings, I seem to be um writing down their own language, their own symbols, uh the landscape as—and to a certain degree, yes, I probably have been there. But it’s just very interesting that it just all starts to come out to the point where it seems to be overwhelming.
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
Well, again, your definition of your relationship to life is what makes it seem overwhelming, because you have a definition that you can’t handle that much energy, that much experience all at once, because you’re defining yourself as smaller than the story when in fact you are the story. And that’s the equality you need to understand. And that’s the equality it will take for you to write the story you want yourself to be. As long as you feel you are at the mercy of the story, you’re not getting the point of the story.
Asker
No. In fact, I’ve almost completely stopped writing because of it.
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
No, that’s not the point. The point is you have to keep writing, but you have to start writing yourself as the story. Yeah. So that you’re equal to it rather than simply a victim of it. Yeah. So by all means, you don’t have to stop—because if you’re doing it out of fear, that would be exactly the counterproductive thing to do.
Asker
No, actually I become uh quite in fact—if you stop writing physically because you are afraid to write anymore, what happens to you will actually amplify.
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
Now does that scare you?
Asker
Um, I see where it can happen because of the lack of it—that things have not been going well.
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
It’ll build up within you. It’ll have to be told somehow, because you’re a storyteller. If you can’t let it out on paper, you’ll let it out in life. I see. Follow very much. So become the story itself. So that the story is happening within you rather than feeling that you’re happening within the story—even though there’s truth to that too, but you understand what we mean about being equal to it.
Asker
Yes. Thank you. Thank you very much. End of story.
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
Well, can I just ask one more question?
Asker
You can begin another story.
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
Yes. Well, okay. If you want to put it that way, I just did. So, obviously I wanted to.
Asker
Yes. Okay. Um, last year, I believe that was the time I last orbited. Yes. Uh, I was driving and it was around sunset time. I was at a stoplight. I was facing the west. Nice. And I saw something in the cloud that I know could not have been something that our people could have made because it was—can you be more specific about the description? Oh yes. Uh, it was basically a solid cloud and I could see the blue sky behind it in the way as if someone had taken a sharp knife and cut a swirl. Not uh circular but more in a geometric sense. Yes. And so when I saw it I just started laughing and I felt complete joy. All right. Thank you. And so, well, I was wondering to what degree it meant. I had one person tell me that that was the Earth’s new name for me, but I have a feeling that it means something more.
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
The Earth’s new name for you? Yeah, that’s how they put it.
Asker
I know that I’ve kept the symbol with me. I’ve drawn it down several times. Do you have some way of interpreting that name in your language?
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
No, I don’t think so. Um, I know I have several different names on different levels. I have not Crazy Cloud. No, I don’t think that’s it.
Asker
Oh, all right. Then you make up one.
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
Um, the only name that I know that can be pronounced in this language is the one my friend Cricket gave me, and that is L Yan, which means, he said, lucky Angel.
Asker
Angel. Yeah. Lucky one. Lucky Angel. Lucky one. Yeah.
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
All right. Do you like that?
Asker
Very much so. Oh, all right. And so, well—I just—these are your symbols. You are the one that gets to assign meaning to them.
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
Well, uh, one of the things I came across that was similar to it was with the dance of the grouse. So uh well the—according to the American Indians, the dance of the grouse is in a circular form going into the infinity part of the swirl—the sacred spiral. Yes. Yes. All right. And so what do you learn from this?
Asker
I’m not too sure considering that grouse isn’t part of my totem.
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
Doesn’t mean that you cannot understand the symbology as it relates to the symbol you do relate to. So sacred spiral. What do you glean from that concept? Whether it be cloud or grouse, sacred spiral is still sacred spiral. So what do you understand about sacred spiral?
Asker
Not very much.
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
Well, then perhaps you want to go and learn some more. It is the growth spiral. It is the expansion of creation spiral. It is the idea that defines all experience in terms of its ratio and relationship to the one and the all that is.
Asker
Okay, makes sense. Very much.
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
So, go dance.
Asker
I’ll do. Thank you. Thank you.
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
Thank you.
Asker
Hi, Bashar. And are you—good day? I guess I have a question about death. Death and what’s it like on the other side? What’s it like? Nice. Does it um matter how you die as how it is?
Asker
Bashar
Bashar

Matter how you die. In a sense, let us put it this way: in what you call classically the spirit realm, you are more than closely associated to being a thought form in a world of thought form.

So whatever your strongest belief is is instantaneously, without any time lag, manifested. But that means you quickly observe that that’s the case and can change your mind about what you want to experience, and that’s instantaneously what you will get. Because in that realm there is no time lag.

You created the idea of time lag in physical reality so that you could experience creation in the making. Otherwise it’s instantaneous and you don’t get to experience the actual mechanism of creation, which is the beauty of physical reality.

You get to slow it down and appreciate every single aspect of how it can come to be instead of just getting the instantaneous creation of whatever the strongest thought or belief in your head happens to be. Whether you still have a physical head or not is not the point.

So it really is ultimately whatever you want it to be. Yes.

Therefore, the manner of the death sometimes can play a part in what the individual might believe or feel that they are going to experience, if anything at all. But again, it quickly becomes apparent—and quickly is a relative term—that whatever the strongest belief is is what creates the experience instantaneously.

Asker
Say a person knows that they’re dying. A person knows that they are dying. All right. You mean from some kind of an illness, right? Oh, all right. Yes. And so they’ve made peace with that. They’ve really come to the conclusion that they’re ready to leave. They’ve done everything they needed to do here. Yes. And they enter the other side very peacefully. Yes. And what if a person commits suicide?
Asker
Asker
Depends. Depends on the reason, state of mind, all sorts of things. Do they come into this life knowing that they’re going to commit suicide?
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
Not necessarily. Though they may understand that they will have taken upon themselves certain explorations and certain themes of which that would be one possible interpretation. Do you understand?
Asker
Okay. So if they’re feeling lost and confused and when they die they will only be lost and confused on the other side just for—
Asker
Bashar
Bashar

Maybe again it depends on really the complexity of how they look at that. Some people might instantaneously feel absolutely free from the confusion. It depends on what they bring with them, why they did it, how they formulated the idea of how they got there.

It really is an equation, and any subtle change at all—even by what you would call a fraction of a degree—will change the experience on the other side as to how they initially experience why they are on the other side. I see. So it really is case by case individualized. Yes.

In general on your planet many people who will choose to commit suicide do so in what you might typically call a confused state. And so yes, there might be some confusion on the other side as well. Perhaps more specifically disorientation.

But sometimes you have to understand that it will be a remembered thing as well and instantly might seem very familiar to them. And in many ways, the physical reality—the physical reality might suddenly seem as dreamlike and far away as spiritual reality seems to be to you now.

They might feel that they’ve actually woken up from a dream. Phew. Wow, that was some dream. Dreamt I was physical, whatever that is, and killed myself, whatever that means. Phew. You understand? Can happen that way too. Okay.

Because the perspective shifts very radically from that point of view. Okay. So it can be any number of experiences really depending on the individual and how they chose to be there.

Miscarriage

Asker
What happens in the case of a miscarriage? Did the soul who was coming into the world just say, “Oh, no. Don’t want to go there”?
Asker
Bashar
Bashar

Sometimes. A spirit can decide they don’t want to experience any more of physical reality than sticking their toe in the water, because they know that the miscarriage will occur and that’s all they want to experience.

It depends on the individual. There can be any number of reasons for exactly how that experience is utilized. And the same would be for an abortion. Yes. Okay.

Again, the other issues of whether individuals are in or out of their positive integrity with regard to any of these things is a completely separate issue, because then you have to determine exactly again what kind of choices they are making and why they are making certain choices.

But on the higher level, the recognition that certain choices will be made can still be used to the benefit of any spirit who wants to use it.

And again, please again do remember—even though again we are explaining this in a classical fashion, not meaning to confuse the issue—physical reality is still spiritual. You still actually are a spirit even though you are experiencing yourself in the idea you call physical.

So it’s not really, so to speak, the idea that the spirit comes into the body and the spirit leaves the body or attaches itself to a vehicle. Not ultimately. It’s simply all a matter of vibration, of densification, and even that of course is an analogy because you can only talk in analogies in physical reality.

But it is really the idea of densification of vibrational frequency. So you actually are a spirit just a little denser than you might be on another level. And I don’t mean that in terms of intelligence. You understand? Like steam becomes water becomes ice. It’s all the same substance, just a little denser when it’s ice.

Grays and Love

Asker
The Grays, they don’t feel emotionally. Not in the way that you do. Do they understand love?
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
In a different way. They understand oneness, but they do not experience it in the same emotional manifestation. The term love can simply represent the concept of a vibration that can be experienced in a number of different ways depending on the system experiencing it. But because love has other emotional connotations in your society, then that might confuse the issue. They do experience the vibration of the oneness. They just don’t experience it in the way that you do or on all the levels that humans do with regard to the emotional component.
Asker
When they experience uh the vibration of the oneness—yes—they experience it as far as their species. Yes. They don’t experience it to other species, do they?
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
Not really.
Asker
Like do they have animals or, you know what I mean? Like on our planet we have—I don’t know how many species, different species we have. Yeah. On their planet or their spaceships or whatever.
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
No, they do not really have that kind of ecology.
Asker
Did they have an ecology like that in the past as Anunnaki?
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
Yes.
Asker
All right. And then they evolved and then they were just the sole species on a planet. You know what I mean? The only species on—
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
They created as Anunnaki on that particular planet of Anunnaki what you would call a catastrophe that in that sense ultimately wound up devolving them. It destroyed almost everything on the planet, almost the entire environment. They barely survived and genetically became what they are now. In that sense, incapable of procreating.
Asker
All right. And on that planet, this catastrophe killed off all these other species. Yes. And they were the only species left.
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
Not so much so, but for the most part to their purpose. Yes. And especially contemporarily now, it is not that they really brought anything with them. They just let the planet die out.
Asker
So how do they look at other species now when you’re interacting with other ETs or with a human?
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
Pretty much the same way that they look at you, except they understand that they do not necessarily contain genetics they can use.
Asker
And how do they look at us? I mean, in that sense, in the concept—what we started with, the concept of love—they recognize if they understand it, you know what I’m saying? If they understand that solely, you know, involved in their species—like a human being, you know, I could love my dog, I could love a cat, I could love a tree, you know, I have a lot of capacity to love. You know, most humans do, if not all. But uh, you know, a Gray now—tell me, you know, how do they—how do they feel that if they don’t have the capacity to feel when they’re interacting with, say, like Pleiadians or Orioni or uh Syrians or whatever, you know, how do they feel? Do they feel anything? What is the recognition?
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
All right. Well, as we have to some degree described in the past, one of the closest approximations that they can experience—at least one of the closest approximations to what you would recognize as a feeling in your reality that they experience—would be the sense of irony. Whatever that sensation is when you feel irony is what might translate as an alien emotion that they feel. But that’s about as close as they get to anything you would recognize.
Asker
And this is just the Grays we’re talking about. Yes. And that’s their expression—I mean, their feeling of love or—
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
Yes. In a sense, because what they are actually experiencing is the vibration of oneness as expressed through the dichotomy of what they have become as opposed to what they used to be. And that to them is ironic. And it’s ironic that they have to come to you to extract the genetics that they originally used from themselves to create the human body to now create hybrids that will allow their race to continue. And that to them is ironic.
Asker
All right. Uh, now let’s get back to creating the human race. Yes. All right. You said Anunnaki. This—that now I’ve heard Pleiadians say Pleiadians did it.
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
Pleiadians are an offshoot of the Anunnaki, in that Anunnaki is only an Earth term for a branch of Lyens, and split off into Pleiadian and Orion and so forth.
Asker
All right. Now the story I’ve—it’s all pretty much the same genes—
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
And from time to time certainly over the long history that we are referring to, there have been mixtures in different parts of their respective histories of interaction between what ultimately became Pleiadian civilization and Lyran civilization. So yes, sometimes Pleiadians played a part.
Asker
Yeah. But what I’m talking about is uh the brothers Enri and Enlil or whatever—you know the ones I’m talking about.
Asker
Bashar
Bashar
Yes. Two brothers in that sense. Enlil and Enki.
Asker
Enki. Yes. Now, were they Pleiadian?
Asker
Bashar
Bashar

They are more representative of Pleiadian genetics, but to say were they Pleiadian is not really accurate. They were also to some degree representative of a group consciousness structure manifested in physical reality. In the same way that in your own language the concept of Adam and Eve is actually more of a collective representation rather than actually referring to single individuals.

Adam simply meaning male, Eve simply meaning female of the human species. Enki, Enlil refer to similar concepts of the admixture of certain genetics within certain groups of humanity. These brothers that came to this planet to mine gold and created a beast of burden…

Bashar: But it is a collective. Within the collective, you could pinpoint specific individuals like brothers here and sisters there. But it was a mishmash collective of the entire group of Anunnaki that came and did that.

Asker: These two brothers were left in control of this planet.

Bashar: They were a council. They were a large group of Hundreds of thousands. There were those that started as leaders and there were those that thought they should be leaders, but it quickly devolved. You are attempting to narrow it down to actual individuals.

This is not the case. You are, through those names, representing a variety—a wide variety—of political, historical circumstances that have all been symbolically lumped into two individuals. It is not literally two individuals.

It is representative of many different things, in the same way that Adam is not necessarily literally representative of an individual in the way that you might mean it with regard to the story of what happened.

Even though obviously there had to be, in a sense, a first male human and a first female human, but the idea of Adam and Eve actually represents the story of early humanity—meaning thousands of individuals—in terms of the collective experience of what happened, being symbolically represented by two individuals in a story archetypally.

Asker: They created mankind on this planet as a beast of burden.

Bashar: That is simplistic. Many individuals within the group had different ideas about:

  • why they were doing what they were doing
  • what their relationship to humanity would be

So to say they created humans as a beast of burden is only talking about one slice of the group.

Asker: What was the primary purpose?

Bashar: It was expansion of the self. Some saw an opportunity to foist off certain chores that they found either unpleasant or incapable of doing themselves. So it became a master-servant relationship for the small group that ultimately was left in control of that idea.

But it didn’t begin that way. It began mostly as:

  • the expanding of the self
  • exploring what could be done
  • expressing the self genetically in other mediums and other realities
  • other ideas and agendas.

Asker: So this small group distorted this purpose.

Bashar: Yes, for their own… and that’s why they were left on the earth. This was a group of several hundred thousand.

To maintain their position, they expressed dominion over them. Although they also recognized that they were on earth to stay and had to blend. This led to humans bowing to the gods, and gods mixing with humans and creating half-gods, and so on and the mixing of the genetics and all.

Asker: You had these hominids that weren’t sentient. When the change was created… did it fully understand what was going on—that this would be a a a limited being?

Bashar: Some did, some did not. Because it depended on from where the spirit incarnated, in terms of the last lesson that it brought with it.

Asker: Were any coaxed into it? Like in the non-physical—were they coaxed into, you know, checking this…

Bashar: That can happen, in that there is a level or a realm of astral existence wherein individuals can still buy into reality systems that are not necessarily in alignment with their truth.

And on that level, yes, some coaxing was done and some bought into it. But only on that level.

Asker: How big of a level is that level? how much of that coaxing, or manipulating, or…

Bashar: Out of the final result of all that wound up in the first wave of humanity… about 10% were coaxed. This was about 500,000 of your years ago. And in a sense, the first experiments resulted in the first wave that was considered to be successful about 300,000 of your years ago.

Asker: humans have lived a lot longer than that on this planet.

Bashar: Yes. But we are talking about specific kinds of alterations that are more recognizable as contemporary humanity, rather than what you are calling early forms of humanity.

Asker: Well, the early forms of humanity were essential.

Bashar: Yes, but there were things going on with regard to exploration and experimentation and mixing of genetic stock even before the Anunnaki.

But we were talking about the Anunnaki wave, which really set fire to that idea.

Asker: Well, let’s go back before the Anunnaki wave. What was their names?

Bashar: Founders. The founders have been experimenting with that idea on your planet actually for millions of years.

Asker: When they were doing this, is there pain and suffering in these individuals?

Bashar: No, the founders are very different, and they manifested these things very differently that did not involve really much time at all, nor any divergence or deviation from what they intended to happen.

Asker: What density was this then?

Bashar: they were still very early third density.

Asker: It seems pretty malleable if they… if they have…

Bashar: But that’s because the founders are higher than that, and have the ability to in a sense create flexibility in the lower densities to their intention, to their focus—as far as flexibility and time span and all.

are there polarities in your planet?

Bashar: There is the recognition that polarity is possible, but it is not expressed because it is allowed to be balanced as a choice. negative choice is equally valid as positive choice, so we simply choose what we prefer.

No one in our planet ever chooses the negative anymore.

We learned from it, and learned that that’s not what we preferred.

Asker: And did you put them off in the corner somewhere or…?

Bashar: No.

They were assisted to understand the consequences of their actions. Everyone explored all the consequences that occurred and were fascinated about all the different variations that could occur, and then developed a consensus reality for what was thought to be for the good of all concerned. And then that’s what was done from that point forward. No coercing in that sense.

Asker: we’ve had a lot of ufo sightings in Arizona.

Bashar: This is the beginning of another wave of calibration. These things are cyclic.

There are shifts happening. Recently there was a rather large craft off of the western United States to aid and assist in making adjustments in some of the tectonic and seismic movements to make sure that it acted as somewhat of a safety valve, so that it would not be catastrophic. So there are adjustments and balancings being made because of certain kinds of accelerations and shifts going on in the collective consciousness.

So we are participating to whatever degree it is appropriate for us to participate. So there is now an increased wave of presence and recognition of our presence collectively, because there is a step closer being created in your collective consciousness to the day when we shall all participate.

This large craft was 20 miles [32 km] long, from our association. It had several hundred thousand beings.

There were Pleiadeans. No Grays. Though there are variations of certain factions that would relate to as a Gray.

Asker: Do Grays and Pleiadeans get along?

Yes. they have dealings, but they are similar to estranged cousins. they tolerate each other.

Bashar: And we do not necessarily want to give them negative ones on the part of Pleiadeans.

The Pleiadeans simply allow them to be what they are. And when they find reason to deal with them, they know what they are dealing with. But they also understand that they cannot necessarily relate to them very closely.

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