Heaven’s Gate Mass Suicide
It is not a blame thing, not a judgment thing.
The soul will not see it as a wrong move per se, but they might begin to understand it as perhaps not necessarily as efficient as they would have liked. And they are beginning to understand a little bit more of how to apply the information in the physical reality they chose to be in instead of in a sense leaving it and thus not being capable of applying it. But the idea really is that the souls will learn from this and they will decide what to do.
And at the same time they functioned as symbols on many different levels for your society. It created much polarization and also at the same time were a representation of a great degree of conviction, for obviously they were very, very, very convicted about what they believed in to have allowed themselves to die for it.
But the idea is again one of discernment—to hone and sharpen discernment about the fact that you are creating reality and that these things are not happening so much again to you as through you. So that if they had understood that, they could have understood that they were applying labels to things that in some senses were not necessarily immediately applicable to the reality domain they were in. However, now that they are in spirit, they are beginning to understand that.
That’s up to each of them. But reincarnation is a linear illusion, because all incarnations are multitudinous and simultaneous because time in a sense is your creation.
Reincarnation is simply an offshoot of the same oversoul. That personality structure that has rendered itself into spirit will always remain there because that’s what it has created itself to be representative of.
Even if the oversoul creates a new incarnation, it is not literally the same person reincarnating. Any memory that the new incarnation, so to speak, may have of being another person in another life is simply a connection vibrationally that the incarnation makes for a variety of reasons to make it appear as if there is a continuity going on.
It is not an impossibility that such a thing can happen because anything you can imagine on some level is real. But the question is what level is that real upon? The idea again is that many times individuals will make associations that will be made from a state of confusion rather than from a state of clarity.
In all reality, so to speak, certainly when you are in spirit, you can certainly find yourself quite capable of visiting alien spacecraft perhaps a little bit more easily than you now have an opportunity to do in physical reality. We are not denying that that is possible. But the idea that you have to do that in order to be aboard a spacecraft, or that there was some timing reason to do that that would in some way, shape or form be representative of what was going on in your planet, is to some degree erroneous.
You will not say. I cannot say. I see. Not at this time.
The idea to understand is this. We will be allowed to give it to you this way. There is in a strata of your collective consciousness the ability to express itself physiologically in a manner that on some level could be considered cloning.
And this from some directions and to some degree has been expressed from time to time in your overall history. Certainly individuals have experimented with it from time to time, but not to any great degree of success in the classical methodology that you now have recently discovered.
In that classic scientific methodology, you have not had the capability of cloning on your planet until recently, and not for some time—though thousands and thousands of years ago, yes, you did.
But when we are asked such a question, we usually infer the idea to mean contemporarily. Now we understand that many individuals will have suspicions that certain factions of your government have been capable of doing many, many different kinds of things, but in most of those cases that is facetious.
For many years I’ve been writing stories. More recently the ones I’ve been working on in the last 10 years—one’s called “The Other Side of the Mirror,” guys.
Second one is called “The Ashes of the Phoenix.” It is dealing with a person, so to speak, who uh with the aid of a guide is able to travel from this world to a second world. And in the first book she’s learning about—in the second book she meets her other self. Nice—breaking the illusion that if you meet yourself somewhere else it will destroy all dimensions. What bothers me is that all my drawings and all my stories to some degree have come into reality.
It scares me to a certain degree because um—why, the worst part was in the first book I said that uh I wrote where the girl uh was dropped into a rapid river and almost drowned but was saved by a friend. Yes. A few years later I went to Hawaii. I was at the green sand beach and I got pulled by an undertow. Yes. All right. And so, well, at the time, it wasn’t until I was able to get myself out of it. I was looking at the ocean that my mind went—I just had something happened to me that happened in the book. It sort of makes me confused if I should even continue writing.
It gives you an opportunity to look at what might be unfolding within your energy so that you can rewrite your own energy and what happens to you as opposed to the idea necessarily of having to make the story match that or that you have to match the story. Mhm.
So it is giving you an opportunity to lose the idea of fear by transforming the idea of fear that you feel in a positive way by letting the fear show you what definition you have of your relationship to life so that it then translates itself in a fearful way, and change that definition of your relationship to life so it will translate itself in what you would believe to be a more positive way.
But at the same time, fear is really nothing more than your energy funneling through a belief system that’s out of tune or out of alignment with your truth. So this is an opportunity for you to look at what you are defining your relationship to life to be and to rewrite it within yourself even if you don’t necessarily rewrite it within the story externally. I see. You follow?
In that sense, you can give yourself a sneak preview of the chapter to come and rewrite whatever in there you need to rewrite for yourself personally, even if you don’t actually rewrite the story itself.
But don’t rewrite it out of fear that it might come to pass. Rewrite it because you use the fear to get in touch with what it is in your definitions might have made such a thing need to come to pass.
And in rewriting it, no longer need to come to pass for you to learn what you need to learn without putting yourself in crisis in order to do so. And although of course some of you find that, as we said, exhilarating.
Matter how you die. In a sense, let us put it this way: in what you call classically the spirit realm, you are more than closely associated to being a thought form in a world of thought form.
So whatever your strongest belief is is instantaneously, without any time lag, manifested. But that means you quickly observe that that’s the case and can change your mind about what you want to experience, and that’s instantaneously what you will get. Because in that realm there is no time lag.
You created the idea of time lag in physical reality so that you could experience creation in the making. Otherwise it’s instantaneous and you don’t get to experience the actual mechanism of creation, which is the beauty of physical reality.
You get to slow it down and appreciate every single aspect of how it can come to be instead of just getting the instantaneous creation of whatever the strongest thought or belief in your head happens to be. Whether you still have a physical head or not is not the point.
So it really is ultimately whatever you want it to be. Yes.
Therefore, the manner of the death sometimes can play a part in what the individual might believe or feel that they are going to experience, if anything at all. But again, it quickly becomes apparent—and quickly is a relative term—that whatever the strongest belief is is what creates the experience instantaneously.
Maybe again it depends on really the complexity of how they look at that. Some people might instantaneously feel absolutely free from the confusion. It depends on what they bring with them, why they did it, how they formulated the idea of how they got there.
It really is an equation, and any subtle change at all—even by what you would call a fraction of a degree—will change the experience on the other side as to how they initially experience why they are on the other side. I see. So it really is case by case individualized. Yes.
In general on your planet many people who will choose to commit suicide do so in what you might typically call a confused state. And so yes, there might be some confusion on the other side as well. Perhaps more specifically disorientation.
But sometimes you have to understand that it will be a remembered thing as well and instantly might seem very familiar to them. And in many ways, the physical reality—the physical reality might suddenly seem as dreamlike and far away as spiritual reality seems to be to you now.
They might feel that they’ve actually woken up from a dream. Phew. Wow, that was some dream. Dreamt I was physical, whatever that is, and killed myself, whatever that means. Phew. You understand? Can happen that way too. Okay.
Because the perspective shifts very radically from that point of view. Okay. So it can be any number of experiences really depending on the individual and how they chose to be there.
Miscarriage
Sometimes. A spirit can decide they don’t want to experience any more of physical reality than sticking their toe in the water, because they know that the miscarriage will occur and that’s all they want to experience.
It depends on the individual. There can be any number of reasons for exactly how that experience is utilized. And the same would be for an abortion. Yes. Okay.
Again, the other issues of whether individuals are in or out of their positive integrity with regard to any of these things is a completely separate issue, because then you have to determine exactly again what kind of choices they are making and why they are making certain choices.
But on the higher level, the recognition that certain choices will be made can still be used to the benefit of any spirit who wants to use it.
And again, please again do remember—even though again we are explaining this in a classical fashion, not meaning to confuse the issue—physical reality is still spiritual. You still actually are a spirit even though you are experiencing yourself in the idea you call physical.
So it’s not really, so to speak, the idea that the spirit comes into the body and the spirit leaves the body or attaches itself to a vehicle. Not ultimately. It’s simply all a matter of vibration, of densification, and even that of course is an analogy because you can only talk in analogies in physical reality.
But it is really the idea of densification of vibrational frequency. So you actually are a spirit just a little denser than you might be on another level. And I don’t mean that in terms of intelligence. You understand? Like steam becomes water becomes ice. It’s all the same substance, just a little denser when it’s ice.
Grays and Love
They are more representative of Pleiadian genetics, but to say were they Pleiadian is not really accurate. They were also to some degree representative of a group consciousness structure manifested in physical reality. In the same way that in your own language the concept of Adam and Eve is actually more of a collective representation rather than actually referring to single individuals.
Adam simply meaning male, Eve simply meaning female of the human species. Enki, Enlil refer to similar concepts of the admixture of certain genetics within certain groups of humanity. These brothers that came to this planet to mine gold and created a beast of burden…
Bashar: But it is a collective. Within the collective, you could pinpoint specific individuals like brothers here and sisters there. But it was a mishmash collective of the entire group of Anunnaki that came and did that.
Asker: These two brothers were left in control of this planet.
Bashar: They were a council. They were a large group of Hundreds of thousands. There were those that started as leaders and there were those that thought they should be leaders, but it quickly devolved. You are attempting to narrow it down to actual individuals.
This is not the case. You are, through those names, representing a variety—a wide variety—of political, historical circumstances that have all been symbolically lumped into two individuals. It is not literally two individuals.
It is representative of many different things, in the same way that Adam is not necessarily literally representative of an individual in the way that you might mean it with regard to the story of what happened.
Even though obviously there had to be, in a sense, a first male human and a first female human, but the idea of Adam and Eve actually represents the story of early humanity—meaning thousands of individuals—in terms of the collective experience of what happened, being symbolically represented by two individuals in a story archetypally.
Asker: They created mankind on this planet as a beast of burden.
Bashar: That is simplistic. Many individuals within the group had different ideas about:
- why they were doing what they were doing
- what their relationship to humanity would be
So to say they created humans as a beast of burden is only talking about one slice of the group.
Asker: What was the primary purpose?
Bashar: It was expansion of the self. Some saw an opportunity to foist off certain chores that they found either unpleasant or incapable of doing themselves. So it became a master-servant relationship for the small group that ultimately was left in control of that idea.
But it didn’t begin that way. It began mostly as:
- the expanding of the self
- exploring what could be done
- expressing the self genetically in other mediums and other realities
- other ideas and agendas.
Asker: So this small group distorted this purpose.
Bashar: Yes, for their own… and that’s why they were left on the earth. This was a group of several hundred thousand.
To maintain their position, they expressed dominion over them. Although they also recognized that they were on earth to stay and had to blend. This led to humans bowing to the gods, and gods mixing with humans and creating half-gods, and so on and the mixing of the genetics and all.
Asker: You had these hominids that weren’t sentient. When the change was created… did it fully understand what was going on—that this would be a a a limited being?
Bashar: Some did, some did not. Because it depended on from where the spirit incarnated, in terms of the last lesson that it brought with it.
Asker: Were any coaxed into it? Like in the non-physical—were they coaxed into, you know, checking this…
Bashar: That can happen, in that there is a level or a realm of astral existence wherein individuals can still buy into reality systems that are not necessarily in alignment with their truth.
And on that level, yes, some coaxing was done and some bought into it. But only on that level.
Asker: How big of a level is that level? how much of that coaxing, or manipulating, or…
Bashar: Out of the final result of all that wound up in the first wave of humanity… about 10% were coaxed. This was about 500,000 of your years ago. And in a sense, the first experiments resulted in the first wave that was considered to be successful about 300,000 of your years ago.
Asker: humans have lived a lot longer than that on this planet.
Bashar: Yes. But we are talking about specific kinds of alterations that are more recognizable as contemporary humanity, rather than what you are calling early forms of humanity.
Asker: Well, the early forms of humanity were essential.
Bashar: Yes, but there were things going on with regard to exploration and experimentation and mixing of genetic stock even before the Anunnaki.
But we were talking about the Anunnaki wave, which really set fire to that idea.
Asker: Well, let’s go back before the Anunnaki wave. What was their names?
Bashar: Founders. The founders have been experimenting with that idea on your planet actually for millions of years.
Asker: When they were doing this, is there pain and suffering in these individuals?
Bashar: No, the founders are very different, and they manifested these things very differently that did not involve really much time at all, nor any divergence or deviation from what they intended to happen.
Asker: What density was this then?
Bashar: they were still very early third density.
Asker: It seems pretty malleable if they… if they have…
Bashar: But that’s because the founders are higher than that, and have the ability to in a sense create flexibility in the lower densities to their intention, to their focus—as far as flexibility and time span and all.
are there polarities in your planet?
Bashar: There is the recognition that polarity is possible, but it is not expressed because it is allowed to be balanced as a choice. negative choice is equally valid as positive choice, so we simply choose what we prefer.
No one in our planet ever chooses the negative anymore.
We learned from it, and learned that that’s not what we preferred.
Asker: And did you put them off in the corner somewhere or…?
Bashar: No.
They were assisted to understand the consequences of their actions. Everyone explored all the consequences that occurred and were fascinated about all the different variations that could occur, and then developed a consensus reality for what was thought to be for the good of all concerned. And then that’s what was done from that point forward. No coercing in that sense.
Asker: we’ve had a lot of ufo sightings in Arizona.
Bashar: This is the beginning of another wave of calibration. These things are cyclic.
There are shifts happening. Recently there was a rather large craft off of the western United States to aid and assist in making adjustments in some of the tectonic and seismic movements to make sure that it acted as somewhat of a safety valve, so that it would not be catastrophic. So there are adjustments and balancings being made because of certain kinds of accelerations and shifts going on in the collective consciousness.
So we are participating to whatever degree it is appropriate for us to participate. So there is now an increased wave of presence and recognition of our presence collectively, because there is a step closer being created in your collective consciousness to the day when we shall all participate.
This large craft was 20 miles [32 km] long, from our association. It had several hundred thousand beings.
There were Pleiadeans. No Grays. Though there are variations of certain factions that would relate to as a Gray.
Asker: Do Grays and Pleiadeans get along?
Yes. they have dealings, but they are similar to estranged cousins. they tolerate each other.
Bashar: And we do not necessarily want to give them negative ones on the part of Pleiadeans.
The Pleiadeans simply allow them to be what they are. And when they find reason to deal with them, they know what they are dealing with. But they also understand that they cannot necessarily relate to them very closely.
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