Nakaponyaka

“Nakaponyaka” and a Light Sighting**

Asker: I was traveling with my son from Idaho to Vegas and on the way, called Extraterrestrial Highway, we decided to turn to see what if it’s something we can see there. About 10:00 p.m. We were traveling and we saw kind of out of the road a strong light which seems to us strange because was kind of flashing. It’s not two lights like automobiles was one and very strong. And I said this is something strange but suddenly the road turned straight to the light. So I said, “Okay, this might be a car.”

We were very very very close to the light and there was downhill and uphill and going uphill because I was supposed to meet it. I turned my high beams to low beams. But when I go to the hill there was no light and there was not anything which could produce this kind of energy.

Bashar: This was the testing of a craft by your military. It is not what you would call exactly human technology but it is in the possession of your human military and they were testing that advanced technology that is partly extraterrestrial technology.

Asker: we’re talking here you say that we’re sharing information I basically I cannot understand what we’re helping to you but what I because you’re teaching us for everything actually you the best way to learn is to…

Bashar: Teach and thus we reinforce every moment that we say something to you the validity of our reality for our society and the principles we live by because we are all telepathically connected. And by thus sharing with you, you reinforce the choices that we make and give us our joy as well. At the same time, your society is actually helping in a variety of other ways you may not understand. For example, we have told many of you that your society is one of the societies that experiences a very high degree of limitation.

by discussing with you various ways in which you can transform those limitations, we can take your successes to other societies that may be not as limited. And then by giving them the methodologies by which you transformed great limitation, it is easier for them to transform what little limitation they may have. So you are acting as a resource of information for many other societies when we share with them how you were able to transform great limitation and so you are helping many other societies with your strength and your power of transforming great limitation on your planet. That’s how you help us as well. Also, as many of you are aware, there are extraterrestrial beings that are creating a hybrid species by blending your genetic material with their genetic material and creating a hybrid race. In what you would call your future, we are one of the results of that hybridization. So, in many ways, you are literally genetically our ancestors.

Bashar: Okay, son. Or perhaps more appropriately, great great great great great great great great grandfather. Wow.

Asker: So you are actually helping in many ways and even just the idea of allowing us to interact with you expands. As we said our understanding of that many more ways that creation has of expressing itself. So through your eyes and your unique way of looking at things we see another side of creation and we are always overjoyed to understand that creation never stops expanding. So we thank you for that gift.

Asker: That’s wonderful. One more qu I have two more questions but they’re short. Quick quick quick quick quick. Okay. Are you material or you’re a spirit?

Bashar: Material. Although our society is now evolving into non-physicality, but we are still relatively material. You would perceive us as a material being should we make the shift to your dimension. We are approximately on average about five of your feet tall, relatively thin.

Our skin is whitish gray, somewhat like your white paper. Our eyes are somewhat larger than your own. But we are in that sense physiological beings again because we are the product of the genetic material of the blending of your species and another species.

Asker: Well, I would like someday to be alive and to see to make a party with you here and to see you in physical way not only spiritual. So I think that everybody will be happy to see you. Is this you will find possible at all that…

Bashar: Within between what you call your year of 2005 and your year of 2013. Most likely by that time either in person or by some televised broadcast or some photographic technique. Almost everyone on your planet will have seen some of us physically. After that point and no later than your year of 2027, you will find that most people will have seen us in some televised form, if not physically. This is the indication for the changes that are taking place on your planet. Now, the rate of those changes on your planet are what determines our ability to interact with you more openly. Thus, within what you call at the outside the next 20 years of your time, you will find that most people on your planet will be very well aware of our existence and will have had in some way some contact or interaction with us on some physical level to some degree.

Communicating with the Dead

Asker: My ex-boyfriend died about a little over a year ago. The night before his funeral, I had a dream.

He basically said, “Wherever you find unconditional love, that’s where I’ll be.”

I’ve had dreams and communication with him in that way. But it was 2 days after a year from his funeral.

A year and two days after his funeral, he I had communication with him and I was awake and all right. He said a lot of things and that you know that made a lot of sense and I said to him one of the things that I said to him is you know I could be imagining all this and he said it’s all right for you to think that you’re imagining this if that makes you feel better.

So I just kind of thought well it probably is real but I’m not going to think about it a lot. And I went to a psychic and she said to me, “You have the ability to communicate with the dead.” Yes. And I hadn’t said anything to her. So then I was pretty sure, okay, this is real. And I had told a few people about it. And he came to me again when I was driving one day and said, “Why do you have to tell people?” And I was thinking that I wanted to write about it and I wanted to get information from him…

Bashar: No, what you’re actually thinking is that this is something you could do to help other people get in touch with those that have died.

Asker: Right. Exactly.

Bashar: Well, then do it.

Asker: Can I do that? I mean…

Bashar: Why do you think you’re thinking about it? Yeah. Why do you think you’re exploring the idea of whether or not it’s just your imagination or whether it’s really something you could actually do as a service if it gives you joy to do so? Yes, of course you can. It’s a job you can do. Yes, you have a skill for this. You’ve done it before in other lives.

Asker: So what do I what’s my next step?

Bashar: All right. Your next step is to remember what it feels like when those communications take place. You remember the feeling. Yes. No. All right. Because that’s a distinct frequency. It’s a distinct wavelength.

Get back into that wavelength by remembering what that feels like. Then in that wavelength, simply open up and ask—ask for those to assist you who can assist you in guiding you to do this in a way that will be of best benefit for all concerned.

You will be guided. You will understand what steps to take. Your life will explode in synchronicity to show you what you need to know.

And of course, the dynamic of the energy is always most strong when you are actually doing it for someone, right? So if you have someone who wishes you to perform that service as a medium in that way, then that is the way for you to get the best practice.

Do not worry about whether you are right or wrong, whether it’s just your imagination, whether you’re receiving accurate information at first. Just do it. You understand? You need the practice in that sense—just to know that it’s all right for you to just do it, no matter what comes through in terms of information.

But start with remembering the frequency of when you know you did do it, so that you can use that as a guide to let you know when you’re on the proper wavelength. There will always be some slight difference to the feeling when it is involving a different entity, but you will start to recognize that there will be a generalized energy that you will always recognize as you being on the appropriate wavelength.

And as you gain more confidence in this, then you will simply accept that this is something that you can do. All of you can really do it. But you have chosen to have a talent for this. And therefore, since you are now exploring this as possibly an expression of your joy, it gives you all the sign you need to show you that the very fact that you’re considering this is what lets you know you can do it. Otherwise, in all likelihood, you’d probably be considering doing something else.

Asker: I told his family about it and I have thought of I didn’t mention it to them but I have thought of asking them to sit down in a situation and asking him to come through.

Bashar: All right. He may or may not be willing to help you in this way at this time and they may or may not be willing to do so. But if they are not, you can find someone who is.

Asker: Right. I just wondered if it would I if I should mention it to them or not.

Bashar: That’s up to you. Again, it may be an opportunity for you to deal with whatever kind of response you get in a loving way, right? You understand?

Asker: Yes.

Bashar: Because you’re also going to get a lot of that, right? Opportunity to deal with these responses in a loving way because it is only through your unconditional love and willingness to perform a service like this that you will actually be capable of doing so. Yes. Yes. Does that make some sense to you?

Asker: Yes, it does.

Bashar: One moment. We’re not through. One moment. One of the reasons why you are so good at this is because you’ve done this from both sides. Do you understand?

Asker: Yes.

Bashar: As a spirit in the way that you might colloquially say in between lives in the past you have actually been the spirit coming through functioning in this way to help facilitate someone else’s capability to be a go-between so you understand this from both sides and that’s why it’s an innate talent in you make sense yes total so then have a good time that’s the bottom line thank you

Asker: And by all means, lighten up on yourself. You got that right. Yes.

Bashar: I have one other little quick question. Oh, all right. One little quick question. Oh, time’s up. Just kidding.

Asker: I’m in the process of buying a house and I have part of the money down and I’m having a lot of anxiety about it.

Bashar: Why?

Asker: I guess fear of not deserving.

Bashar: Deserving what?

Asker: Deserving to have this nice house.

Bashar: Well, then I guess as long as you have that fear, you don’t deserve it.

Asker: So, and I and I know intellectually, okay, and I read it and I meditated on…

Bashar: May I make a suggestion? This may sound like an admonishment, but we do not mean it this way. Hear it in a different light. Are you ready?

Asker: Yes.

Bashar: This is a strong suggestion and there’s a lot of clues in the way we are going to say this for you. If you don’t know it on all levels of your being, don’t say I know it intellectually because you don’t know it at all. You understand? That means knowing is knowing. Intellectualizing is intellectualizing it. It isn’t anything at all about knowing. Knowing is a total incorporation into your being. The things you know, you just do and you don’t even think about them. Do you think that you can walk across the room? Do you intellectualize the idea of walking across the room when you want to walk across the room? No. You just do it because you know you can do it. If you intellectualize the process of walking across the room, you trip over your own feet and fall down because you’d be too busy thinking about the process of walking. The things you know, you just do. That is the degree to which your knowing has to be incorporated in your actions. Is this making some sense to you?

Asker: A lot. Yes. So in this process of buying a house, if you understand that the issue that is coming up for you is an issue of deservability. All you really really really need to understand is that’s the issue. And if you understand that that’s the issue, the issue is over. You understand? It’s gone. Now have no expectation. Follow your joy. Act on the things that excite you at every moment and allow the circumstances that need to reflect the level of expansion you’re on to simply fall where they will.

Taking a Leap and Number Base

Asker: I was at the brink of a breakthrough. You told me to take a leap. Yes, I took a leap.

Bashar: And did you take the leap with faith or with expectation? Because remember expectation has mass and won’t allow you to jump as far as faith. Because faith is weightless.

Asker: I would say expectation.

Bashar: Did it hurt when you landed?

Asker: Yeah.

Bashar: That’s why the leap of faith is again the issue of knowingness and nonjudgment of where you land. Yes. Because you have to know that if you took the leap with faith, then you will know that wherever you land must be the product of that faith. And if you judge it to be less than that, then you took the leap with expectation. That’s how you know which one you took with you. So even though it’s turning out to be positive, this leap of expectation. If it is turning out to be positive in that sense, it is unlikely you used expectation because now you came back in. or if you did use expectation, you have now changed back to faith and are allowing the situation to be transformed in a positive way.

Asker: It’s the only way that it seems to work was with faith. I mean, because faith is knowing who you are, knowing what you want to be, making a choice for who you are. You know, it I think that what happened was is that it occurred without my expectation. I allowed to occur spontaneously. So, it took me by surprise.

Bashar: Yes. So, I didn’t have any Yes. Well, that’s all right. Most of you want that surprise because that’s how you learn. If you knew everything ahead of time, it wouldn’t be in that sense really a growing experience. You understand?

Asker: I understand. It’s like unwrapping all your presents before the holiday. Then it’s no fun on the holiday.

Bashar: That’s true. You understand? I understand. You don’t always want to know what’s around the next corner because then the ride’s no fun. I know. You can’t be on the roller coaster as No excitement. Yes. Yes. This is the nature of physical experience. I agree.

Asker: Well, then as far as your number base 13, can you teach me that number base?

Bashar: Do you mean repeating the idea of 1 to 13?

Asker: Right. And what do you do when you need to start from zero?

Bashar: We simply start from zero. Is 0 to 13. It is not that our number base in that sense has to be absolute. There are any number of applications we can come up with for whatever the circumstance or situation is. We are simply giving you the fundamental and going from there.

Asker: But that’s all we actually gave. What about a computer application?

Bashar: Our computers in that sense…

Asker: I’ve started reading it. I’m about halfway through and it’s raised a ton of questions. Didn’t know questions weighed that much.

Bashar: Oh, these weighed a lot.

Asker: My is that book is the government the hierarchy of the government described in that book fairly accurate and fairly of the universe they have great levels of bureaucracy and…

Bashar: Are you talking about the idea beyond your planet?

Asker: Oh yes. Yes. From this universe then the seven super universes and onward.

Bashar: This is a big however.

A lot of the information that was channeled through in the result of that book is hierarchical interpretation based on the hierarchical structure existent in your world. Okay. You got it. Got it.

In some senses it does exist, in the sense that certainly there are relative positions of things, and we do recognize that there are different strata of frequencies. But it isn’t really quite so hard cut and dried as that work may have you think in terms of the bureaucratic sense—because from our level, within the hierarchy, there really isn’t a hierarchy as much as there simply is an automatic organizational principle that simply allows like vibration to seek like vibration. Okay. In that sense, it isn’t that structured in the way that you structure your organizations. All right. Does that make sense to you? Yes.

However, at the time the information was received on your planet, it was the only way that your world could make sense out of and interpret that concept into its own terminology. Similar to the idea of what you call some of your religious tenets, such as the Ten Commandments and so forth, which were never commandments at all, but simply recognitions of what is.

For example, number one, the way your society translated it when the information was originally accessed was, “Number one, I am the Lord your God. You shall have no other gods before me.” The actual transmission was: there is only one. Anything you may consider to be another isn’t another, but is only part of the one. Therefore, cannot be another God.

Asker: What had distressed me when I read it is that it seemed that there was a great group of beings that had assumed the the book describes an assumed power and authority. It appeared that the planet has not been self-governed that they talked about…

Bashar: “You mean your planet, our planet?” And it sounds to me like most planets—well, our planet for sure. In a way, we are not saying that certain kinds of beings do not exist. We are not saying that there have not been certain kinds of interactions that have taken place on your planet that might be to some degree representative of issues of control. It is not necessarily as absolutely linear or cut and dried as what your history books may account.

However, again, there are still a number of ways to understand these things, a number of ways to look at them, and a number of ways to interpret them—depending upon the level from which you are willing to approach it. Okay. So again, it is to some degree true, but in many ways it is also an interpretation. Even though there have been certain interactions that have been in many ways controlling, so to speak, from one level, but you still have and always have had the capacity to make of that what you will, and to participate in it however your consciousness may dictate according to your own frequency of choice.

Asker: Well, there was a line a paragraph in there that said that this mortal ascension plan had been def set up by this government and that these spiritual beings and that we have no choice. That souls who do not choose to go in the mortal ascension path are terminated. That was a question of mine. Can anyone terminate a soul?

Bashar: Let’s put it this way. Everything always changes. And certainly what you may call a soul can change its frequency into something certainly you may not even recognize as such. But I’ll tell it to you this way and perhaps this will give you the foundation that you can apply to any other such question which may arise. See if you can garner it from this perspective. Existence only knows one quality. Existence, that’s its primal definition. So that which exists will always exist. That which does not exist is its own definition. Non-existence is already full of all the things that will never exist. There’s no room in non-existence for things that do exist to become non-existence.

Existence is its own quality. That which is it isn’t anything else. Especially it isn’t isn’tness. It is only isness. So if you have isness now, which obviously you do, or we wouldn’t be having this conversation, you always will have isness. Your isness may change form, but you will always be fundamentally you because fundamentally you are All-That-Is. Expressing itself in this unique way. All of you, all of us, All-That-Is within All-That-Is is All-That-Is expressing itself in all the ways All-That-Is can.

All perspectives are valid. All realities are real. All the hierarchies you are describing in some sense do exist. Whether you experience them depends upon the frequency of your perspective. Okay. And how you experience the idea or not experience it at all.

Asker: So can you choose to not experience some of those realities?

Bashar: No, you don’t choose to not experience. You simply don’t experience what you don’t choose.

It’s not that you make an intentional choice to not experience something. It’s simply that whatever you do make an intentional choice to experience automatically doesn’t leave room for you to experience anything else but what you choose. I see because you are at any time a 100% experience.

So if you are experiencing something then on some level you chose to even if that be unconscious.

Asker: It talked about the Lucifer rebellion. My impression was that his great crime was challenging the system and stating that that the mortals and individuals were not being allowed self-choice and determination is that accurate?

Bashar: Yes. But it goes far beyond that concept. That is a great oversimplification.

It represents certain historical events that are both human and ET and extradimensional in nature.

Since then, Lucifer has been infused with so many other meanings according to the collective consciousness of your world.

On one level, Satan is the opposite of the world spirit.

The collective fear of your world in an archetypal embodiment which doesn’t mean it’s any less real it simply means it is however simply the product of the archetypal embodiment of the collective consciousness of your planet on a negative side but

Lucifer is a more neutral concept in general.

It has to do with the concept of knowledge, and freedom to choose.

Asker: Our planet was chose to go along back with this neutral rebellion. He was not evil but our planet chose to go along as did several other planets and we were thusly punished and isolated in Earth.

Bashar: This is an extreme oversimplification of a multi-dimensional effect created when consciousness interacted with itself on certain levels that then resulted in the densification and stratification of itself just because of how it looked and understood and defined itself to be.

It is not a punishment, but a densification.

If you want to call that a fall because you know it’s going from a higher frequency to a lower one, so be it.

But all you’re really describing is a physics principle.

Massage Therapy and Energy Work

Asker: I’m a massage therapist.

Bashar: I’ve been taking different classes and different modalities. Yes. And I’m finding that the human body is amazing. And I find it it’s almost like a computer.

Bashar: Not almost. Well, in many ways, it actually is a computer. The physical body is an arrangement of consciousness that does allow your consciousness to be computed into a physical terminology. When people come to me with their problems or they want something done. Yes. Does is there a way of assessing and I find that I can do like a touch for health or a testing to test whether this is the problem. Will the body and I I mean I feel like when I talk to their body I ask the question and I do the test. Yes. Is that their body really answering me or they just…

Bashar: It can be body consciousness. Yes. All levels have their own level of consciousness and it can be body consciousness that you are in contact with.

Asker: Yes. And is my is it important that my energy is do I have to change my energy with each person or is it…

Bashar: You may find that that might simply be automatic because everyone is a different frequency and you may find it might take some identification resonance for you to key into to some degree the difference within them. But there will also always be a general harmonic that is your unique vibratory signature that represents the ideal state you are attempting to help them and train themselves to take themselves to. But you may need to adjust some of the frequency to be able to reach them on their level so that they can recognize the signal by recognizing it as their own and then following that signal back into the idealized state which then if they choose to do so will allow them to render themselves back into their natural state of health. That’s what a healer does after all anyway. It gives a person a clue as to where they want to be within their own ideal their own ideal resonant frequency. That’s why you may always find it to be subtly different because everyone has a subtly different signature vibration which makes them the unique individual that they are. Does that make some sense?

Asker: Yes. Do I have somebody channeling through me when I do this? Because there are sometimes those entities and guides that do assist you. Yes. It isn’t necessarily always the case because certainly you all have your own resources of tapping into the infinite for whatever energy you need to channel. But yes, from time to time there are some friends who do give, shall we say metaphorically, a hand.

Bashar: Sometimes at least one of them is actually an animal consciousness. Animal consciousness. Yes. Sometimes the idea of what kind of assistance you may need to give someone may actually come more strongly from what you may recognize typically as the signature vibration of an animal consciousness. And so sometimes an animal consciousness is one of the guides that you have to help you get onto that proper level. Then you can do the same thing with animals that you can do with people and plants and rocks and everything because everything is a form of consciousness.

Martian Immigration and Media Portrayals

Bashar: I wanted to share with you the delight that I had at hearing the announcement that some of your people the Asani will be appearing on future shows.

Bashar: You are saying that the announcement of our physical arrival somehow took your light away. No, it it you said it delighted you. Perhaps or relighted me.

I suppose it’s a recognition on my part of definitely a reunion. I feel a great affinity with you and the information that you’re…

You are feeling is the reunion with yourself. Exactly. That’s why our interaction will ultimately be possible because you will have a reunited with yourself. Yes. And thus exist on the frequency level that makes it possible for us to exist as equals. And we always take joy in what we harmonize with and which we harmonize with it because we recognize it as our self. Yes. Yes. In Courtney Brown’s book, he speaks of a proposed or intended immigration of Martian natives to this planet, the remnants of the ancient civilization.

Bashar: Yes, some of them have already incorporated into your society. And of course, do remember the majority of the ancient Martian civilization when that planet was still inhabitable and became uninhabitable actually simply incarnated as humans. Yes, there are not as many left in the ancient form, but there are some and there are already some immigrations to that effect and there will be more.

Asker: Now, he spoke of numerous ships coming at some point once negotiations for immigration are established. Yes. Approximately how many remain and will be coming and will they be recognized?

Bashar: Several hundred thousand and they will be recognized for what they are or they will. Yes. Not at first but eventually they will.

Asker: So they basically have along with help from the grays genetically engineered so adaptability on your planet.

And also being more similar to humans in a lot of ways.

Yes. Yes. Although some of them will retain some of the ancient traits and you will recognize this as such. Mhm.

Asker: There is a plethora of entertainment features movies and shows and so on.

Now with regards to aliens arriving on this planet and most of them unfortunately seem to be most of them what judgmentally he said yes judgmentally he said I recognize a slight disharmony with my own ideal…

Bashar: Well what does that give you an opportunity to do then do something about it present but also in that they are being presented in the way they are being presented and first of all do not assume that all of them are necessarily that way no the idea is for you to A if you are approaching this in a positive way, allow yourself to simply recognize that your society may not react the same way that it would have perhaps many years ago to the same kind of presentation and thus you are giving yourself a calibration scale to see how much you’ve changed with regard to that particular negative idea. So we’re looking at that idea again to see whether we really you’re testing yourself and now as we understand the fair that is about to be offered filmatically.

You are pulling out all the stops because now you can handle it. Yes. And it will bring up more people’s issues about it. It will. However, again, remember there are also in and I mean blatantly and directly in some of these offerings that you are referring to very very very constructive and positive messages as well. Yes. Yeah, they definitely point in that direction. Yes, we understand that again for the purposes of what you call your dramatic license, some of these things may be presented in what may appear to be a negative light or enforced upon you in negative ways. But again, take it all in stride and understand that at least now you are looking at many of these things as an amusement park ride as opposed to something that you really think might actually happen. Yes. Yes.

Asker: Well, that’s interesting. That’s very good. And I am motivated somewhat to perhaps do some writing with regards to…

Bashar: There you are. You see, then you can tip the scale in the other direction. But again, don’t necessarily assume that these things are in and of themselves necessarily so negative.

Asker: No, in that they are bringing it to mind, making people think about it and making people write what they would quote unquote prefer. And also it is very good. Do understand that even in what you may call the most vehement invasion film, what is the first positive thing and the first positive side effect you see with regard to that idea as presented in that film?

Asker: People get to vent their fears and…

Bashar: But I mean more obvious, more on the surface, more immediate. We understand you may not yet have actually viewed the film in question, but in the idea of the presentation of an absolute invasion that would be unstoppable by any means except love in what format?

Asker: I would say what is the obvious and immediate surface apparent consequence of the invasion? restructuring of our society in a positive way. All the borders collapse. Yes. Everyone becomes a member of the earth regardless of who they are. And the so-called common enemy tends to get people to drop their differences and unite.

Bashar: Thank you. You’re welcome. Therefore, you are simply showing yourselves that given a good enough reason, you can do that. And therefore, maybe, just maybe, you don’t need quite that big a reason to do so. After all, we can do it without the big reason.

Asker: Thank you. You’re welcome. So, you see the changes that you actually are showing yourselves by presenting yourself something of that nature when at first glance, it may seem negative. In fact, it may be indicative of the fact that you’re ready for great positive change.

Asker: I agree. I agree. And thank you very much. And you as well. And have a good trip home.

Bashar: I am already at home but thank you. Say hi to mom and the kids and everybody.

Asker: My entire society is telepathically plugged in. They all send their regards.

The Great Attractor, Extinction, and Time

Asker: The young lady that asked about the Arancha book and the seven super universes. What I wanted to ask you about was the great attractor. Yes. And that was on my mind tonight. What could you tell us about this?

Bashar: Are you simply now referring to the physics concept to the astronomical concept?

Asker: Yes.

Bashar: In that sense it is to some degree analogous although slightly different than what some of your scientists think but analogous to the concept that they hold. In that there is a position shall it be called the zero point within the entire structure of your physiological universe that represents the ultimate point around which all creation spins and in that sense is also drawn into and expanded out from to begin with. It is in that sense the ultimate null point that gives rise the gateway the doorway that gives rise to the reality you experience and at the same time draws it back into itself so that it can psychically begin again.

Asker: So the great attractor was the big bang.

Bashar: Yes.

Asker: This is only relative from one particular point of view but yes it will do as an analogy.

Asker: Well, was the big bang a different point or…

Bashar: It is its own point and again for the purposes of this conversation so that it does not become in your terms too confusing it will suffice as an analogy. The great attractor was the big bang in that sense it is also the end the beginning and the end the alpha the omega. It is in that sense the dimensional gate of all possible reality. And you are experiencing now in what you call the big bang one slice of that in a universal constant way.

Asker: Also the idea of extinction. Yes. Okay. Extinction I mean you know when people think about it it’s horrifying you know and well just a concept. All right. But you’re familiar with the implicate order? Yes. Okay. And what I’ve always looked at like is all with reality the way I understand it come to have known it and all is we choose a certain particular road that we walk down in some senses in general. Yes. And you add some specificity to it as you walk it.

There’s all these probabilities and possibilities and all. Yes. And the implicate order is everything. Yes. Totality. Yes. In one particular lifetime or one universal reality. Can it be looked at that way? Yes. Can it be looked at in the universal reality? Yes. So there is I mean extinction does not exist.

Bashar: Everything exists and everything is real. It exists. But ultimately in that sense, no. I mean like this lifetime, the past, the present. The idea of your term extinction is usually relegated to a particular corridor of space-time. And so in that sense it does exist since it is a term specific to a particular kind of reality experience. But ultimately no as we have said nothing ever really ceases to exist but that doesn’t mean that a species cannot become extinct from one particular reality domain.

You’re familiar with Steven Hawking. Yes. And he talked about the concept of time flowing what we perceive as a flow from past, present, future. Yes. All right. That continuity.

Now he says maybe in certain universes or maybe in this universe when the universe expands to its optimal point it will start collapsing and time will flow backwards in a sense. Now is that a possibility or probability?

Bashar: It is already happening in a universe. Yes. Oh, it is happening in our universe. Well, remember that everything is simultaneous. Yes. And therefore, in many ways, you are actually passing yourselves right now forward and backward simultaneously. Time and anti-time and that flow constantly goes back and forth, in and out. Yes. And thus is what results in the big bang and the great attractor. All right? Because I was swimming before when started talking about the seven super universes and all. But again that is simply another way of looking at the differentiations of vibrational densities within any particular time flow no matter what direction it’s moving in. Yes I understand it. And like a particular universe being maxed out let’s say. All right we understand. Okay. And then what they call the sleep time or the null time. Yes. Which I’ve read from the Pleiadian material. All right. Yes. And all. And now is does that universe like sleep for a while and then it sleeps for all eternity and no time at all because that’s what null time is? Okay. And then does it click back on again?

Bashar: Yes, in a sense although in that sense it is therefore another universe altogether. And in that sense not necessarily does it need to be looked at as a continuation of your own. It has its own reality, its own reason for being. And though you may perceive it as your universe going backwards, it doesn’t necessarily perceive itself that way because to itself it’s its own reality with no necessary connection to the reality that you had before the null time.

Asker: All right. And you do understand I’m not talking about this particular universe. Yes. Any universe in general. Yes. All right. And in the book Future Memory when she talks about the energy flowing through like recycling energy the Taurus the black hole. Yes. Recycling energy, matter energy and all when it attracts it comes through the white hole. Yes, we understand this idea. Okay. And is that pretty accurate? Yes. All right. That is pretty accurate then. Yes. For certain universal realities. Yes. All right. Not for every universal reality, but for certain universal structures. Yes.

Asker: Well, that’s what I’m asking you. Now, explain to me something that wouldn’t apply to.

Bashar: The idea is that in certain universal structures there are gateways and vortices that function as both simultaneously within themselves feeding into themselves constantly and out of themselves constantly so that they never experience any kind of concept of manifestation at all. Also the flow is in and out constantly and there is no manifestation. Correct. And that is a universe unto itself and that would just be an energy fluctuation more or less.

Bashar: Yes, that’s how you would perceive it. But in what you would perceive as an energy fluctuation, perhaps a localized energy fluctuation, that is an entire universal reality experiencing a lack of manifestation. And that is an experience. Yes. All right. And now when you’re in your ship, Yes. as I am now. You are now. Right now. Okay. Let’s This is a telepathic communication coming from within a state of repose within my craft. All right. Well, lay down. Take it easy. You know, relax.

Asker: I already am in a state.

Bashar: And where are you located?

Asker: Above my world. Above your world. Now, when you land on your world? Yes. Physically, you mean?

Asker: Physically? Yes. When do you get out of your ship or is your ship now your body?

Bashar: No. The ship is the ship. Though we have some degree now of continuity and congruency than we did before because we are evolving and we are more blended, we can still create the idea of segregation for whatever purpose it suits us to do. So I can land the ship and get out in my body on my planet. Yes. Okay.

Asker: But could you travel the way you do on your ship using your own consciousness without using the ship?

Bashar: In a sense, yes. And in a sense no because the blending the hybridization between myself and the ship can be so indeterminant. So in that sense we seem to be one thing. So who is to say what is the ship and what is me when I do that? Yeah. But you know in conversations you’ve said to people well you know yes we understand and we are approaching that point but at this time we still recognize that there is a continuity blending in our evolutionary path. in time. We understand there will be no concept of a ship as we travel in that way. But our civilization is not at that point in the way that the serious civilization is yet. What a serious civilization. That’s how they travel because they are six density and in that sense have no concept of the need for the differentiation of the material idea of needing a craft. They simply are where they are.

Asker: Do you know if you believe it, you know you could do it. Yes. You got to believe it, you know. Yes, we understand that. Yes, I know. But you see that is not our intent at this time.

Bashar: Yes, I know. I was just playing with you. I know. But just to clarify the point, what we choose to believe right now is the experience of continued differentiation to a certain extent. Not only because this serves us in our experience of our evolution, but it also serves others to understand us this way for the time being. Because many individuals on more than just your planet have the idea of the understanding of our contact as being in that presentation form that they will see a craft and see us step out of it. Even though many individuals like yourself will now understand that even if you see us do that you will understand that even for us at this time that is actually just a convenience of presentation and we could just as well be the craft or the craft be us or appear in a completely different way altogether.

Asker: Yeah. And that leads to the question of all right you come down now there’s not that different that that separation you’re doing it more or less for a convenience for us although we do gain something from the experience okay you do and you know I understand that part of it now what about a being from Sirius coming down and manifesting now I know some of the UFOs that have been cited are exactly these type UFOs…

Bashar: Exactly they are only energy presentations they are the way the consciousness of that being is interpreted in the electromagnetic structure of your dimension and you may see them as glowing lights or glowing energy or any number of nebulous or anomalous phenomenology.

Asker: And when these glowing lights stopped I mean let’s say for communication yes and now we would see a particular being that that globe of light would change into a being more or less yes this is a presentation like what happened at What was it? Our Lady of Fatima. Yes. All right.

Bashar: In that sense, it is a restructurizing of the frequency of the consciousness so that it mirrors to the entity something more convenient for communication purposes. Yes. So the communication can come through.

Asker: And what beings were that that communicated in what in that communication?

Bashar: Fatima again is an aspect of what you call the feminine principle of the world spirit.

Asker: Oh, was ourselves talking to ourselves collectively. The feminine principle.

Asker: And also just to touch on it, you know, you’ve said for years and years hope implies despair. Yes. Although again, understand that everything we say usually has some specific application in some specific circumstance. It isn’t necessary that every single usage of that word necessarily means that someone is despairing. Yes, I know. But in the communications I’ve seen with you interacting in numerous sessions and you know not the ones I’ve just been president in but other ones and all over the years and relative one now for just the last several years is hesitation implies you’re not doing what excites you. You know what I’m talking about.

Bashar: Yes, I do. But that’s your definition. Yes, of course. That might not be the person you’re interacting with. I just said that, didn’t I? Yes. I know you did. But I’m just saying you do hold that into account. And when people do not argue with you over it, your definition becomes their definition.

Asker: Usually we pick upon their energy. And the only reason we would usually choose to communicate something like that is that we already realize that’s the energy they’re giving off. Otherwise, we probably wouldn’t say it. But you know what I’m talking about. I do. All right. However, it is unlikely that if we say it, it is not already reflective of something that they are themselves in touch with. All right.

Asker: And the genetic material that has been spliced out of our you know for the hybrids. Yes. There are certain genes. Yes. In the gene pool that the zetas or the grays didn’t want to have in the hybrids. How was this done? How was it spliced out? Were they over time did they reinforce positive through positive reinforcement and all?

Bashar: Yes. Some of the early experimentations with hybridization were in your terms not successful. There were many deformities and in that sense over time they understood how to in your terms fine-tune the genetic material. At the same time the process of the breeding itself allowed them to fine-tune out some of the things that they did not desire. So they did extract some of the genetic material. Yes. They didn’t like the aggressiveness from our society and all.

Asker: In certain circumstances they did not. In certain circumstances they found it along with other traits to be capable of being balanced properly and thus left it in.

Bashar: And I mean they must really be advanced to find to realize which genes.

Asker: They are in that sense technologically advanced. Nevertheless, it has still taken in your terms a long time because it is a complex process. All right. And just one real simple thing real quick. I was playing with simultaneous time. Just a concept. my hand five fingers simultaneously they all exist taking as an analogy okay yes when I count them 1 2 3 4 5 yes just the counting implies sequence yes when in essence there is no sequence there is but you don’t have to look at it that way and when you don’t then there isn’t remember how how remember that when you say one thing is an absolute that’s not true there is always the reality of the other when you’re using that reality it is real oh Yeah, I understand what you’re saying. So when you say there is no sequence, that’s not true. There is a sequence when you use a sequence that’s real. But there doesn’t have to be a sequence. And when you don’t use it, that’s real. All right. But it all all exists at once. Yes. And obviously within the frame of time it doesn’t because that’s just as real.

The Zeta Grays

Asker: You said that we are the ancestors of your civilization.

Bashar: Yes. Not all of you specifically, but in general. Because it is human DNA that has been utilized in the creation of our species physically.

Asker: And your ancestors the grays are from the Zeta Reticuli.

Bashar: That is one system. But also we have ancestors that are hybrids as well. We are in your future. And so some of the early hybridizations are also our ancestors.

Why are the Grays linking to our world? Or are they genetically linking with many different worlds?

Bashar: Yes. They are to some degree. However, the genetic material that already went into making up the human frame was already derived from some of those ancient species anyway [Anunnaki].

So, you’re already to some degree compatible, which makes the genetic hybridization an easier task. You are already partly like us to begin with. That is how the human frame was created already from a genetic alteration.

Asker: And what happened? What happened to the Zeta Reticuli and their race and why?

Bashar: In my time frame, they no longer exist. They have all become hybrids.

Asker: Was the race dying? what from?

Bashar: Because they were unable to reproduce because of their detrimental technology and a variety of other things.

Asker: Are we headed in the same direction?

Bashar: Yes. About 10 years that took a turn perhaps. About 10.

Asker: Where are we heading right now as far as a technologically being too engrossed and too much of the alien technology that has gone within our governments and into our what we are playing with at this moment.

Bashar: The alien technology that has been introduced into your military and governments will actually play a very little part of what you can do to yourselves already.

Asker: Your ancestors dod not create our nuclear and radio activity?

No that is your doing.

Bashar: We were not influenced by your technology, your ancestors technology.

No, these principles were already well understood by the time your species became aware of alien technology.

Nuclear technology is simply the natural and logical end result of principles that were understood for some time by your own scientists. even though it may not have been understood by the general population.

So even the destructive ones of us that like to take their technology and do it have other uses for it will not be affecting us as a mass consciousness.

Asker: Those of us that are destructive or that plan to use the technology that they have from your ancestry, the zeta in to affect our mass consciousness of some sort to change.

There have been some utilizations of this that have caused some effects. But ultimately you will find that it will not in your terms win out because the society and the system will change too drastically for it to be able to take a foothold in the transformations coming up.

But some of this has already been used.

But specifically more than the idea of what you would call spaceflight technology, more the issue being applied by your society in areas called mind control.

We got that technology from your ancestors then that mind control and the frequencies to some degree. Yes. The understanding of the frequencies and the understanding of the personality construct.

Asker: Does that take away some of our free will?

Bashar: You mean when your people use it? Yes. On us in a sense. But in that sense shall we say that because you structured your society in such a way to create members who would choose to do that you already acquiesced your free will long ago to them.

Therefore this is again just the logical result of what it is you have already done by giving your power away to someone else.

Asker: Your ancestors is it true what like they tell us on our media and television and so forth that the horror stories that they have to do with extracting some of the genetic differences from us. some some experiments that they said that the like you hear abduction stories on television all the time about these people talking in the dark and how horrible it was what they experience…

Bashar: For many individuals it is not a pleasant experience but you must understand that the grays as they are generally referred to are beings that do not have the same capacity to understand emotionality or compassion the way you do.

They are in that sense simply not negative, but they are relatively neutral in their ability to relate to you that way and do not really understand to a great degree the fear reaction that people are having in much the same way that a child may not understand being taken to the doctor for its own good.

But you have more of a capacity or more compassion for us as a hybrid because we are the balance between the two. And thus we have taken the emotionality of your species and the intellectuality of their species.

We have within ourselves the capacity for choosing only to balance and blend those things in a harmonious way. which is why we are communicating to your society now to let you know that at least one branch of that experimentation did work out in a way that you can benefit from.

Asker: And we already have certain hybrid races here on parts of our isolated areas of our earth, do we not?

Bashar: Not for long periods of time. Oh, they cannot exist on your world for long periods of time. But there have been, shall we say, trial runs. I see. Because ultimately there will be hybrids interacting openly with humans on your planet as we said.

Asker: And what’s the longest time span that our hybrids that we’re experimenting with are living on our planet at this time?

Bashar: The most recent was for a duration of approximately 3 to seven years. Different phases of the agenda. This was extremely long. You will find that most of them only last a few months.